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Jury Cramp [234]
(1778-1849)
Mary Anne Edmonds [3946]
(1802-After 1851)
Charles Payne [1063]
(Bef 1824-After 1850)
Flora Ann Fitzgerald [1064]
(Bef 1824-After 1850)
Alfred Ernest Cramp [598]
(1838-1904)
Elizabeth Louisa Payne [71]
(1843-1923)
Ada Ann Laura Cramp [242]
(1870-1954)

 

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Edwin James Muir [8812] [LX3R-MV7]

Ada Ann Laura Cramp [242]

  • Born: 1870, Yass, King County, New South Wales
  • Marriage: Edwin James Muir [8812] [LX3R-MV7] on 1905 Dec 11 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia 1
  • Died: 1954 Aug 17, Orange District, New South Wales, Australia at age 84

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bullet  Noted events in her life were:

• Registration: Birth, 1870, Yass District, New South Wales. 2 19286/1870
CRAMP, ADA ANN LAURA
ALFRED
ELIZABETH LOUISA
YASS

• Court: Rum in the Teapot, 1919 Dec 3, Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia. 3 THE RUM IN A TEAPOT CASE AGAIN. (1919, December 3). Cowra Free Press (NSW : 1911 - 1921), p. 3. Retrieved May 12, 2014, from <http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99720336>

THE RUM IN A TEAPOT CASE
AGAIN.
Ada Ana Laura Muir, licensee of
the Great Western Hotel, was charg-
ed with supplying an unauthorised
person, Denis George Keegan, with
liquor daring prohibited hours.
Mr. Phillips for defendant, who
pleaded not guilty.
Sergeant Spicer gave similar evi-
dence to that previously appearing
in these columns when Keegan was
charged with obtaining liquor during
prohibited hours.
Jury Cramp stated he supplied
Keegan with the rum as he said he
was sick. He added that Keegan
did not come on to the premises, but
was handed it on the footpath.
Denis George Kegan stated he was
handed the liquor over the picket
fence in front of the hotel, but did
go on to the verandah.
In reply to Sergeant Patker wit-
ness said he was not on the promises
at all.
Defendant was fined 20s, with 6s
costs, 24 hours being allowed to pay.

• Newspaper: A Chinaman's Rum, 1920 Oct 9, Cowra District, New South Wales, Australia. 4 A Chinaman's Rum. (1920, October 9). Cowra Free Press (NSW : 1911 - 1921), p. 2. Retrieved May 15, 2014, from <http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99707265>

A Chinaman's Rum
Costs a Hotel keeper £5.
Chu Tan, a Chinaman with a smile,
was recently fined at the Cowra Pol-
ice Court for being illegally on the
premises of the Great Western Hotel
at Cowra.
On Wednesday last the licensee of
the hotel, Ada Ann Laura Muir, was
proceeded against by the police in the
Court for having Chu Tan illegally
on her licensed premiess. Mr. F.
W. C. Crane S.M., was on the Bench.
Mr. R. B. Phillips appeared for de-
fendant who pleaded not guilty.
Sergeant Spicer stated: About 8.30
p.m. on 7th August, accompanied by
Constables Sams and Auld, I was
on duty in Lachlan street, saw a
Chinaman, on the premises of the
Great Western hotel; I interrogated
him and brought him back to the
parlor of the hotel; I said to Jury
Cramp, the manager of the hotel, "I
found this mail on your licensed pre-
mises, he had a flask of rum which he
purchased here"; the Chinaman said
"Me buy it here this morning, didn't
I?" Cramp replied, "Yes, you bought
it here this morning"; the Chinaman's
name is Chu- Tan; Cramp afterwards
said to me, "That man bought the rum
there all right"; I said "Yes, I know
he did"; he said "I would be telling
a lie if I said he did not"; I said
When did he purchase the liquor?"
and Cramp replied, "In the afitemoon,"
I said. "The Chinaman and also your
self said that he bought it there that
morning, how do you reconcile that?"
but Cramp made no reply to that.
To Mr. Phillips: The Chinaman
said he bought the liquor in the morn-
ing; he first said that he went there
about some vegetables; I found the
liquor in his pocket.
Constables Auld and Sams also gave
evidence.
Jury Cramp, manager of the Great
Western hotel, stated: Early in the
afternoon of 7th August'97 before 5
o'clock'97Chu Tan came in to get a
shilling's worth of rum; someone; sta-
ted that his horse was running away,
and he went out; he said he would get
it later; I got the rum ready and
put it out in the little office at the
back. Chu Tan called about 8 o'clock
and I handed him the rum; he was
outside when I gave him the rum.
The Magistrate convicted defendant
and imposed a flne of £5 and 8/ court
costs, in default one month's hard la-
bour.

• Court: Supplying an Aboriginal with liquor, 1921 Oct, Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia. 5 Supplying an Aboriginal with liquor
A Cowra Hotel keeper Charged

Case Again Adjourned in Spite of Defendants Attorney's Protest
Ada Muir, licensee of the Great Western Hotel, was charged before Mr Longfield, S.M, on Wednesday, with allowing liquor to be supplied to an Aboriginal.
Mr Gilcrest for defendant, who pleaded not guilty.
Constable Sams deposed that at 10.35 am on September 12, he was on duty in Lachlan Street, saw Thomas Coe, a half cast aboriginal, enter the bar of the Great Western Hotel ; went inside and saw Jury Cramp standing behind the bar ; Coe was standing in front of the bar with a glass of beer in front of him ; said to Coe ''Why did you come in here after a drink'' ? He made no reply ; said to Cramp ''Why did you serve Coe with a drink'' ? He replied ,'' I forgot all about it '' ; said ''You'll more than likely hear more about this'';
Thomas Delaney, a resident of Lachlan street, Cowra, was also standing at the bar with a glass of beer in front of him ; had not seen Delaney since Coe lived at Erambie Mission.
To Mr Gilcrest ; can see that Coe has aboriginal blood in him ; have known him 18 months or two years ; Coe has been away from Cowra a week or two during that time ; he told me he lived at the Mission ; have seen him there ; have not seen people there who don't belong to the Mission.
To the Police ; Coe was not injured or ill and did not produce a Dr's certificate.
Thomas Coe deposed he was an aboriginal residing at West Cowra ; had been residing on the Erambie Mission reserve about 12 months ; was a married man with a family ; they all resided on the reserve ; on September 12 , was in the company with a man named Delaney ; went with him to the Great Western Hotel and had a drink of beer ; Delaney paid for it ; Jury Cramp served them ; remembered Constable Sams came in ; was a half cast aboriginal.
To Mr Gilcrest ; My father was a quarter cast ; my mother died when I was young ; I don't know what she was.
Sergeant Lenon deposed he was guardian of the aborigines at Cowra ; furnish returns in connection with the aborigines ; have copies of some ; reserve No 11,634, of 3 acres, 1 rod, 9 perch was set aside for the use of aborigines.
D.M Reed, C.L.A. for Cowra Land District, produced a map of the parish of Cowra showing a reservation for the use of aborigines.
Mr Gilcrest ; I object.
S.M ; It doesn't seem to be the correct way of proving it.
Sergeant Lenon ; I'll have to ask for an adjournment then.
Mr Gilcrest ; I cannot agree to it. It's not our fault, We prepared to go on at the last court.
S.M. ; I think I'll have to grant the adjournment. It was adjourned at your request on one occasion.
Mr Gilcrest ; It's hard on my client.
S.M. An adjournment can't do any damage, and it's only a technical objection.
Mr Gilcrest ; The police should have been prepared to go on.
S.M. ; I'm aware of that, I know if it had been my case I'd have had the gazette here.
Mr Gilcrest ; It is very unfair that we should be saddled with costs. The police should not be protected anymore than the public.
Sergeant Lenon ; We can prove Coe has been living at the Mission.
Mr Gilcrest ; I'd ask your Worship for a dismissal.
S.M ; I don't think the map is sufficient evidence, Can a gazette be procured locally ?
Sergeant Lenon ; It might be possible , but if the case is adjourned it cannot effect anyone.
Mr Gilcrest ; The case should be adjourned.
S.M ; I'll adjourn the case until October 11.
A case against Jury Cramp in connection with the same matter was also adjourned.

• Court: Allowing an Aboriginal to be Served with Liquor, 1921 Oct, Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia. 6 Allowing an Aboriginal to be Served with Liquor

Local Hotel keeper Fined
The adjourned case in which Ada Laura Muir, licensee of the Great Western Hotel, was charged with allowing an aboriginal to be served with liquor, was concluded before Mr Longfield, S.M, on Tuesday.
Sergeant Lenon produced a Government Gazette dated June 7, 1890, showing a proclamation re Reserve No 11,364, county of Forbes, parish of Mulyan ; the aboriginal was living on that reserve ; to witness's knowledge Coe had been living on the reserve when not away at work.
Mr Gilcrest submitted there was no evidence to identify the reserve as being the one referred to in the Gazette.
Sergeant Lenon ; There is only one aboriginal reserve here.
Mr Gilcrest ; There was no evidence given at the last court.
S.M ; The evidence has been given today though !
Mr Gilcrest ; If you overrule me in that I take the point that there is no proof Coe is an aboriginal native of N.S.W.
S.M ; He says himself he is an aboriginal native of Australia.
Mr Gilcrest ; Yes, but there is no proof either he or his parents are aboriginal natives.
S.M ; Have you any authorities ?
Mr Gilcrest ; There is a case in 27 weekly notes. However I'll have that for the present. My client is charged with allowing liquor to be supplied to an aboriginal. There is no evidence of that.
S.M ; In the case of ex - parte Willans it was held the licensee was liable if his wife served in his absence.
Mr Gilcrest ; In this case it is the barman, and he couldn't be presumed to have the same authority as a wife.
S.M ; Under section 81 the chief Justice says the licensee is liable or any person he leaves in charge.
Mr Gilcrest ; There is no evidence of that. There's nothing to show that Cramp had any authority.
S.M ; Constable Sams asked Cramp why he served Coe and he replied '' I forgot all about it''. The fact that he was serving in the bar is sufficient unless it is shown he was there with out authority, I won't dismiss the information on that ground.
Mr Gilcrest ; I'll ask for my objection to be noted.
S.M ; Very Well.
Sergeant Lenon ; I'd refer your Worship to the case of Beer v Lynch. On December 2, 1919, defendant was fined for allowing unauthorised persons on her licensed premises, and she was fined 5 pounds later on for a like offence.
S.M ; How is the Hotel conducted ?
Sergeant Lenon ; It is a very quite place. Aboriginals have easy access there and being very slippery customers are hard to catch.
S.M ; There is also a charge against Cramp ?
Sergeant Lenon ; We're prepared to withdraw it.
S.M ; She's fined 5 pounds, with 8 shillings costs, 14 days are allowed to pay and half the fine is to go to the police Rewards Fund

• Newspaper: The Sydney Morning Herald, 1936 Sep 15, Sydney, Cumberland County, New South Wales, Australia. IN IHE SUPREME COURT OF NEW SOUTH
WALES -Probate Jurisdiction -In the Estate of EDWIN JAMES MUIR late of Cowra in the State of New South Wales Dealer deceased Intestate - Application will be made after fourteen days from publication hereof that Letters of Administration of the Estate of the abovenamed deceased may be granted to ADA ANN LAURA MUIR the Widow of the said deceased and that the Administration Bond may be dispensed with and all persons hav- ing any claims against the said Estate are required to forward particulars thereof to the undersigned within the said period and all notices may be served at the undermentioned address W. J. GOLSBY, Proctor for Applicant, Bank Chambers, Cowra By his Agent L. G. B. CADDEN, 79 Eliza- beth-street Sydney.

• Registration: Death, 1954, Orange District, New South Wales, Australia. 24153/1954MUIRADA ANN LALFREDELIZABETH LOUISAORANGE

• Probate: Granted, 1954 Mar 12, New South Wales, Australia. 7 Item number or control symbol: Series 4-425582 Title: Ada Ann Laura Muir -Date of Death 17/08/1954, Granted on 03/12/1954

• Newspaper: The Sydney Morning Herald, 1954 Sep 16, Sydney, Cumberland County, New South Wales, Australia. Advertising. (1954, September 16). The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842-1954), p. 14. Retrieved January 14, 2011, from <http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18454461>

IN the Will of ADA ANN LAURA MUIR late of Kite Street Mulyan Cowra in the State of New South Wales Widow deceased -Application will be made alter 14 days from publication hereof that Administra- tion with the Will dated 13th No- vember 1945 anexed of the Estate of the abovenamed deceased may be granted to David Max Alfred Muir the sole beneficiary named in the said Will no Executor having been nominated in the Will and all notices and claims may be served at the undermen- tioned address and creditors and all others having any claims against the Estate of the said deceased are required to forward particulars thereof to tile undersigned J. B. WILSON, Solicitor 193 Summer Street, Orange. By his Agents: OWEN JONES, McHUTCHISON & Co., Solicitors 4/10 Martin Place, Sydney.


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Ada married Edwin James Muir [8812] [LX3R-MV7] [MRIN: 3389], son of John Muir [26158] [LJL9-RSR] and Mary Ann McNab [26159] [LJL9-R94], on 1905 Dec 11 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia.1 (Edwin James Muir [8812] [LX3R-MV7] was born in 1867 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales,8 died on 1917 Sep 12 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia 9 and was buried on 1917 Sep 12 in Cowra, Bathurst County, New South Wales, Australia.)

bullet  Noted events in their marriage were:

• Newspaper: Family Notices, 1906 Jan 20, Sydney District, New South Wales, Australia. 10 Family Notices. (1906, January 20). The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), p. 12. Retrieved July 19, 2013, from <http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14713336>

MUIR - CRAMP - December 11, 1905, at the residence
of the bride, Mulyan, Cowra, by the Rev J Morri-
son, Edwin James, third son of the late John Muir,
Cowra, to Ada, eldest daughter of the late Alfred
Cramp


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Sources


1 NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), 9427/1905.

2 NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), 19286/1870.

3 Other Researchers, Rhonda Brownlow. .... Cowra Free Press, Wednesday, December 1919.

4 (http://www.nla.gov.au/ms/findaids/), A Chinaman's Rum. (1920, October 9). Cowra Free Press (NSW : 1911 - 1921), p. 2. Retrieved May 15, 2014, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article99707265.

5 Other Researchers, Rhonda Brownlow. .... Cowra Free Press, Saturday, October 8, 1921.

6 Other Researchers, Rhonda Brownlow. .... Cowra Free Press, Wednesday October 12, 1921.

7 NSW State Government Records. Surety:2

8 Other Researchers, Rhonda Brownlow. .... NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages (http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/), 8092/1867. 8092/1867
MUIR, EDWIN J
JOHN & MARY A @ CARCOAR.

9 Other Researchers, Rhonda Brownlow.

10 (http://www.nla.gov.au/ms/findaids/), Family Notices. (1906, January 20). The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), p. 12. Retrieved July 19, 2013, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article14713336.


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